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		<title>By: Michael Linder</title>
		<link>http://www.motivelab.com/2009/10/14/cision_and_spam/comment-page-1/#comment-28796</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Linder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael H,

If Cision made representations in writing that the list you were sold was opt-in, you may possess the smoking gun needed to expose these spammers and perhaps bring them to justice. If you&#039;re willing to help, please contact me through my site, linked above. I&#039;m a journalist for a leading Los Angeles radio station and guarantee as much anonymity as you desire. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael H,</p>
<p>If Cision made representations in writing that the list you were sold was opt-in, you may possess the smoking gun needed to expose these spammers and perhaps bring them to justice. If you&#8217;re willing to help, please contact me through my site, linked above. I&#8217;m a journalist for a leading Los Angeles radio station and guarantee as much anonymity as you desire. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael H</title>
		<link>http://www.motivelab.com/2009/10/14/cision_and_spam/comment-page-1/#comment-28795</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Very interesting topic. I think what the Shut-Up folks seem to miss is not  your rights being impinged....Cision is selling bad email addresses. Their customers should be very upset. If I bought a list that was sold to me as Opt-In I expect it to be just that. Doesn&#039;t that qualify their actions as fraud?

M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Very interesting topic. I think what the Shut-Up folks seem to miss is not  your rights being impinged&#8230;.Cision is selling bad email addresses. Their customers should be very upset. If I bought a list that was sold to me as Opt-In I expect it to be just that. Doesn&#8217;t that qualify their actions as fraud?</p>
<p>M</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Sheen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Sheen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Renee
I also am on the hunt for a media solution and just experienced a Vocus demo.  I used Cision for 2 years with another company and wasn&#039;t extremely impressed.  I have for the last few days conducted my research on Vocus and it appears they are super spammers :( does anyone know if the emails coming from Vocus are being dropped into the spam box??  The major difference so far is Vocus appears to be a bit more user friendly but once I added news monitoring and a few other options, I received a sticker shock.  
-Angie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Renee<br />
I also am on the hunt for a media solution and just experienced a Vocus demo.  I used Cision for 2 years with another company and wasn&#8217;t extremely impressed.  I have for the last few days conducted my research on Vocus and it appears they are super spammers <img src='http://www.motivelab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  does anyone know if the emails coming from Vocus are being dropped into the spam box??  The major difference so far is Vocus appears to be a bit more user friendly but once I added news monitoring and a few other options, I received a sticker shock.<br />
-Angie</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kenton</title>
		<link>http://www.motivelab.com/2009/10/14/cision_and_spam/comment-page-1/#comment-28792</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael. 

Hmm. I guess it&#039;s time to stir the pot again. Would you mind posting the links to which you&#039;re submitting spam complaints? Thanks.

/chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael. </p>
<p>Hmm. I guess it&#8217;s time to stir the pot again. Would you mind posting the links to which you&#8217;re submitting spam complaints? Thanks.</p>
<p>/chris</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Linder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Linder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After five months of demanding that Cision stop vending my identity, its clients&#039; spam keeps rolling in while the company remains defiant in its refusal to allow journalists and bloggers to opt-in from its scheme before their identities are sold on the open market.

&quot;We are not required to provide an opt-in option to list your email address,&quot; writes Cision&#039;s Heidi Sullivan.

How did they get my unpublished email address? &quot;Unfortunately, we do not keep a record of every single action that one of our researchers makes,&quot; writes Sullivan. That lack of an accountability trail didn&#039;t stop a Cision agent from lying to me in my first phone call to the company about how her firm captured my address.

Cision refuses to provide a spokesperson for broadcast interview yet it admits that after the cirm allegedly ceases selling your info, Cision clients may continue to spam from its lists. &quot;This is not a practice that we encourage,&quot; writes Sullivan.

Still, it is unclear whether Cision prohibits such behavior in its user agreements, or whether it requires its clients provide an opt-out remedy in spam sent to Cision victims. Every email I&#039;ve ever received from a Cision client has had none and clearly meets the legal criteria for spam. I forward every instance to the Federal Trade Commission&#039;s spam database and to SpamCop for IP blacklisting.

Cision profits from turning thousands of corporations and organizations into spambots while inflicting, without permission, junk email on &quot;more than 1.1 million journalists, freelancers, bloggers and key stakeholders world wide.&quot; It is reprehensible behavior that must not be allowed to continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After five months of demanding that Cision stop vending my identity, its clients&#8217; spam keeps rolling in while the company remains defiant in its refusal to allow journalists and bloggers to opt-in from its scheme before their identities are sold on the open market.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are not required to provide an opt-in option to list your email address,&#8221; writes Cision&#8217;s Heidi Sullivan.</p>
<p>How did they get my unpublished email address? &#8220;Unfortunately, we do not keep a record of every single action that one of our researchers makes,&#8221; writes Sullivan. That lack of an accountability trail didn&#8217;t stop a Cision agent from lying to me in my first phone call to the company about how her firm captured my address.</p>
<p>Cision refuses to provide a spokesperson for broadcast interview yet it admits that after the cirm allegedly ceases selling your info, Cision clients may continue to spam from its lists. &#8220;This is not a practice that we encourage,&#8221; writes Sullivan.</p>
<p>Still, it is unclear whether Cision prohibits such behavior in its user agreements, or whether it requires its clients provide an opt-out remedy in spam sent to Cision victims. Every email I&#8217;ve ever received from a Cision client has had none and clearly meets the legal criteria for spam. I forward every instance to the Federal Trade Commission&#8217;s spam database and to SpamCop for IP blacklisting.</p>
<p>Cision profits from turning thousands of corporations and organizations into spambots while inflicting, without permission, junk email on &#8220;more than 1.1 million journalists, freelancers, bloggers and key stakeholders world wide.&#8221; It is reprehensible behavior that must not be allowed to continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kenton</title>
		<link>http://www.motivelab.com/2009/10/14/cision_and_spam/comment-page-1/#comment-28790</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee--

Thanks for the note. I&#039;m glad to hear Cision is taking the complaints seriously. As you said, they&#039;re not following the call to action I&#039;d like to see, but who died and left me king? I&#039;ll take it as a move in the right direction. I&#039;ll see what I can find out over the next few days and do another post if it&#039;s warranted. 

Thanks, 

/chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee&#8211;</p>
<p>Thanks for the note. I&#8217;m glad to hear Cision is taking the complaints seriously. As you said, they&#8217;re not following the call to action I&#8217;d like to see, but who died and left me king? I&#8217;ll take it as a move in the right direction. I&#8217;ll see what I can find out over the next few days and do another post if it&#8217;s warranted. </p>
<p>Thanks, </p>
<p>/chris</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.motivelab.com/2009/10/14/cision_and_spam/comment-page-1/#comment-28789</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought you should know that I had a demo from a Cision rep today. We are seriously looking at a media platform, because our in-house research costs are becoming more expensive than the cost of Cision and Vocus type products. I thought you should know that the only reason I found this post is because the rep directed me to Google &quot;Cision &amp; Spam&quot;, for doing my own research. 

He also told me that based on complaints that they have been addressing, customers are only allowed to send a limited number of emails through their platform. (That is based on how many you pay for, of course.)  That policy, he explained, was intended to minimize the practice of sending out thousands of un-vetted emails, creating spam. I realize that is not exactly the call to action you made, but I, as a prospective customer, have to think that they are making some effort to turn that big boat around. Especially, after listening to many of their competitor&#039;s presentations. 

No worries, we always make the intimate pitch, so I will not be spamming you with your Cision generated contact info, at least not before I know exactly what you write about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought you should know that I had a demo from a Cision rep today. We are seriously looking at a media platform, because our in-house research costs are becoming more expensive than the cost of Cision and Vocus type products. I thought you should know that the only reason I found this post is because the rep directed me to Google &#8220;Cision &amp; Spam&#8221;, for doing my own research. </p>
<p>He also told me that based on complaints that they have been addressing, customers are only allowed to send a limited number of emails through their platform. (That is based on how many you pay for, of course.)  That policy, he explained, was intended to minimize the practice of sending out thousands of un-vetted emails, creating spam. I realize that is not exactly the call to action you made, but I, as a prospective customer, have to think that they are making some effort to turn that big boat around. Especially, after listening to many of their competitor&#8217;s presentations. </p>
<p>No worries, we always make the intimate pitch, so I will not be spamming you with your Cision generated contact info, at least not before I know exactly what you write about.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kenton: My new Professor &#171; Bloomport U</title>
		<link>http://www.motivelab.com/2009/10/14/cision_and_spam/comment-page-1/#comment-28786</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kenton: My new Professor &#171; Bloomport U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oh..  and check out his running dialogue with a social media/spamming firm Cision. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bad Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bad Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting conversation. It’s clear to me Chris that your pleas for accountability will go unheard. On Cision’s product page they list targeting “Social Media Influencers” as a key selling point for the CisionPoint upgrade. In fact it’s THE feature that makes the CisionPoint upgrade immediately actionalble. There’s no way Cision will remove the influencers who did not opt-in. The… “access to over 10,000 blogs and social media sites”… listed as the key feature would drop to something like “..over 512 blogs and social media sites …” – not very compelling. I’ve worked at companies where we made up our own product reviews and planted happy customer quotes on influencers sites – the quick payoff of such activities is very tempting to the executive team and unless “someone” complains it won’t stop -- bad behavior pays well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting conversation. It’s clear to me Chris that your pleas for accountability will go unheard. On Cision’s product page they list targeting “Social Media Influencers” as a key selling point for the CisionPoint upgrade. In fact it’s THE feature that makes the CisionPoint upgrade immediately actionalble. There’s no way Cision will remove the influencers who did not opt-in. The… “access to over 10,000 blogs and social media sites”… listed as the key feature would drop to something like “..over 512 blogs and social media sites …” – not very compelling. I’ve worked at companies where we made up our own product reviews and planted happy customer quotes on influencers sites – the quick payoff of such activities is very tempting to the executive team and unless “someone” complains it won’t stop &#8212; bad behavior pays well.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kenton</title>
		<link>http://www.motivelab.com/2009/10/14/cision_and_spam/comment-page-1/#comment-28776</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;d read this post as closely as you suggested in your first complaint about its length, you&#039;d know I wasn&#039;t complaining about one spam message, but about an ongoing stream of spam that is only growing. This post only happened because someone finally copped to where my address was scraped. 

I find it telling that you find no fault with the fact that Cision scraped my name and sold it, nor with the fact that they blame their own customers for the problem and evade being pinned down on their own behavior while talking up their interest in &quot;open accountability&quot;. You can only conclude, ~anonymously~, that the fault lies with my own big ego for calling out bad behavior  because hell, any rational person would just keep bending over, since real accountability makes the perpetrators feel uncomfortable and upset. Tell you what. Take a little of your own advice. Get used to it and quit complaining. 

And if you have the open channel into Cision you imply, you can tell them there&#039;d be nothing to get their panties in a twist about if they walked their talk and engaged in dialog. You know, like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;d read this post as closely as you suggested in your first complaint about its length, you&#8217;d know I wasn&#8217;t complaining about one spam message, but about an ongoing stream of spam that is only growing. This post only happened because someone finally copped to where my address was scraped. </p>
<p>I find it telling that you find no fault with the fact that Cision scraped my name and sold it, nor with the fact that they blame their own customers for the problem and evade being pinned down on their own behavior while talking up their interest in &#8220;open accountability&#8221;. You can only conclude, ~anonymously~, that the fault lies with my own big ego for calling out bad behavior  because hell, any rational person would just keep bending over, since real accountability makes the perpetrators feel uncomfortable and upset. Tell you what. Take a little of your own advice. Get used to it and quit complaining. </p>
<p>And if you have the open channel into Cision you imply, you can tell them there&#8217;d be nothing to get their panties in a twist about if they walked their talk and engaged in dialog. You know, like this.</p>
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